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Wilson, Douglas L., ed.; Davis, Rodney O., ed.; Weber, John B. 'John B. Weber (William H. Herndon Interview)' in 'Herndon's Informants: Letters, Interviews, and Statements About Abraham Lincoln' . Urbana: University of Illinois Press, 1998. [format: book], [genre: interview]. Permission: University of Illinois Press
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283. John B. Weber (William H. Herndon Interview).

Pawnee — Sangamon Co Ills. [ca. Nov. 1, 1866 [1]]

Jno B. Webber — Aged 57

I was born in virginia in Shepherdstown Jefferson Co. Va on the Potomac Came to Ills in 1836 — april in my 27th year. I Knew Mr Lincoln in 1836 — heard him make a Speech against Doct Jacob Early Jno Calhoun — Martin Van Buren. I may or not have been a voter at that time — July or Aug, but voted in Nov. The Speech that Mr Lincoln made — in 1836 was made in the old Court House where the State house now Stands — . I think Van Buren — was a Candidate — so was Hugh L. White — Harrison &c. They in this section united under the White Ticket. The Democracy that day spoke through Doct Early — Jno Calhoun & others. I was a democrat at that time. Douglas was not yet among us. He was then in Jacksonville, but soon Came to the Capital: he favored the removal of the Capitol from Vandalia to Springfd. The Speech that Lincoln made was made on the current politics of the day and Especially against Doct Early. Lincoln was the best Speaker. that dy. I thought & felt that day that Lincoln was a young man of Superior intellect: he polite & courteous — debated the ability & honesty — more so than other politicians of the dy. His candor & fairness — his Courtesy gained my Confidence.

Soon after this Mr Lincoln & I became near neighbors & intimate friends. Mr Lincoln in 1836 and Came to Springfield in the Spring of 1837. As I understand it Mr Lincoln sat down to Study law in Earnest and soon went into partnership with Jno T. Stuart. I don't remember any political discussion in 1838, Sufficiently Certain to speak of any one man — I heard all the discussions as I Suppose, but do not remember them distinctly. I Couldn't stay away from Political discussions — Such was my temperament. Before I go further let me sy that my printing my bros press was mobbed by a gang of men in 1838 or 9. Douglas wrote the article that Caused the Mob. After the Capital was moved to Springfield in fact — which was in 1839 — Decr. the Senate Sat in the Methodist Church — and the House sat in the new — 2d presbyterian Church. Mr Douglas I think Came to Springfield permanently so in 1838 — Came as the Register of the land office. Mr Douglas & Lincoln frequently had debates — and I suppose I heard them all. Messr Lincoln and Douglas addressed the People of this County frequently in 1838 and 1840: the Tariff question — the Bank question, Van Buren — and other democratic & whig measures & men were discussed thoroughly & well. Personally I never had a hard feeling my life towards Mr Lincoln. I was attatched to Mr Douglas politically, very much. I was more attatched to Lincoln more than to Douglas Morrally. The discussion between Douglas & Lincoln were fairly & ably discussed: they were able speeches — truly so. Mr Lincoln used to stagger me with his tariff speeches: he so arranged his facts — his arguments — his logic that it approached me from such a peculiar angle that they struck me forcibly. Mr. Van Buren voted

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Wilson, Douglas L., ed.; Davis, Rodney O., ed.; Weber, John B. 'John B. Weber (William H. Herndon Interview)' in 'Herndon's Informants: Letters, Interviews, and Statements About Abraham Lincoln' . Urbana: University of Illinois Press, 1998. [format: book], [genre: interview]. Permission: University of Illinois Press
Persistent link to this document: http://lincoln.lib.niu.edu/file.php?file=herndon388.html
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