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Wilson, Douglas L., ed.; Davis, Rodney O., ed.; Matheny, James H. 'James H. Matheny (William H. Herndon Interview)' in 'Herndon's Informants: Letters, Interviews, and Statements About Abraham Lincoln' . Urbana: University of Illinois Press, 1998. [format: book], [genre: interview]. Permission: University of Illinois Press
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194. James H. Matheny (William H. Herndon Interview).

(May 3d. 1866)

James H. Matheny

Says —

That Lincoln and himself in 1842 were very friendly — That Lincoln came to him one evening and Said — Jim — "I shall have to marry that girl." Matheny Says that on the Same Evening Mr & Mrs Lincoln were married — That Lincoln looked and acted as if he was going to the Slaughter — : That Lincoln often told him directly & indirectly that he was driven into the marriage — Said it was Concocted & planned by the Edwards family — : That Miss Todd — afterwards Mr's Lincoln told L. that he was in honor bound to marry her — : That Lincoln was crazy for a week or so — not knowing what to do — : That he loved Miss Matilda Edwards and went to see her and not Mrs Lincoln — Miss Todd.

Matheny further Says that soon after the race — the political friendly race between Baker [1] & Lincoln — which was in 1846 or 7 and after Lincoln was Married that Lincoln took him — Matheny to the woods and there and then Said in reference to L's marriage in the Aristocracy — "Jim — I am now and always shall be the same Abe Lincoln that I always was — " Lincoln Said this with great Emphasis — The cause of this was that in the Baker & Lincoln race it had been charged that L had married in the aristocracy — had marrid in the Edwards — Todd & Stuart family —

Matheny further says — he remembers L in 1837 — 8.9 &c often quote Burns — quoted Holy Willies prayer with great pleasure: That it was L religion: That during 1842 he though that L would Commit Suicide. Mr remembers L's old office up stairs above the Court Room — a small dirty bed — one buffalo robe — a chair and a bench — L would lounge in it all day reading — "abstracting" — "glooming"&&c — Curious Man — good Man — Mind Equal to any occasion — always rose So — Seemed Equal to the occasion —

L wrote out and published the Tailor Trial Case of circumstantial evidence about 1857. [2]

Mrs Lincoln often gave L Hell in general — Says the Baker [3] girls have seen it & heard it and told him So. Ferocity — describes Mrs L's conduct to L.

Library of Congress: Herndon-Weik Collection. Manuscript Division. Library of Congress. Washington, D.C. 2559 — 60; Huntington Library: LN2408, 1:492 — 93

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Wilson, Douglas L., ed.; Davis, Rodney O., ed.; Matheny, James H. 'James H. Matheny (William H. Herndon Interview)' in 'Herndon's Informants: Letters, Interviews, and Statements About Abraham Lincoln' . Urbana: University of Illinois Press, 1998. [format: book], [genre: interview]. Permission: University of Illinois Press
Persistent link to this document: http://lincoln.lib.niu.edu/file.php?file=herndon251a.html
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